#87 Finding Flow to Beat the Fear of Speaking with Dan Greenwald
“You’re gonna have to do things that sometimes don’t feel good to get what you really want.”
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Discover why trying to fix your speaking fears actually makes them worse.
Confidence doesn’t come from trying to fix yourself. It comes from learning how to find your flow.
In this conversation with the inimitable Dan Greenwald, we’ll explore how to move beyond communication fears and step into a state where speaking feels natural and connected. Together, we unpack why fixing speech often backfires, how energy state shapes your presence in high-stakes moments, and why surrounding yourself with the right people acts as a mirror for growth.
You’ll also hear Uri’s half-marathon story as a metaphor for breaking through glass ceilings, and Dan’s introduction to the Thirty-Ten-Zero system, a simple framework to align your daily actions with your high level goals. Whether you’re navigating stuttering, social anxiety, or the pressure to perform perfectly, this episode offers practical ways to find flow for confident speaking and embrace authentic self-expression.
Here’s what you’ll discover in this episode:
00:00 Introduction to TranscendingX
00:19 Guest Introduction: Meet Dan Greenwald
00:41 The Power of Mirroring and Self-Awareness
01:38 The Journey of Transcending Stuttering
03:34 Frameworks and Systems for Growth
06:30 Expanding Beyond Stuttering
11:12 Personal Growth and Overcoming Limits
17:12 Energy State and Performance
24:11 The Role of Systems in Managing Stuttering
24:50 Connecting with the Audience
25:24 Overcoming Speech Challenges
26:26 The Power of Knowing What You Want
31:20 Introducing the Thirty-Ten-Zero System
32:34 Implementing the Thirty-Ten-Zero System
41:44 Scaling and Future of Thirty-Ten-Zero
49:54 The Human Touch in the Age of AI
53:30 Final Thoughts and Cheers
BIO
Dan Greenwald is a strategist, educator, and founder of ThirtyTenZero — a clarity-first framework for navigating growth and reinvention. His path has moved through classrooms, startups, real estate deals, and leadership rooms. The common thread: helping people and systems move with purpose. Dan is known for his calm presence, sharp thinking, and ability to guide others through complex moments with structure and trust. He lives in New York City with his wife and three kids.
ABOUT OUR HOST
Uri Schneider, M.A. CCC -SLP is co-founder and leader at Schneider Speech; creator and host of TranscendingX podcast community; and former faculty at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine.
EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS / TIME STAMPS
02:53 Dan's Early Struggles with Stuttering
04:54 The Concept of 'Everyone Has a Stutter'
05:48 Navigating Fear and Shame
06:41 Memorable Childhood Experiences
11:19 College and Self-Discovery
16:02 Entering the World of Education
28:34 Creating the ThirtyTenZero System
34:45 Harnessing Fear as Opportunity
35:02 The Courage Muscle: Building Resilience
36:35 Parenting and Problem-Solving Skills
41:23 Transcending Personal Challenges
53:39 Active Resting and Energy Farming
01:01:22 Final Thoughts and Reflections
MORE QUOTES
“The reason why it's so hard for us to figure out what it is that we really want is because as creatures we're designed to figure out how to stay safe.” - Dan Greenwald
“Usually we think our job is our ultimate 30,000 foot focus. It's not. Life is too short to make it all about our job.” - Dan Greenwald
“You're gonna have to do things that sometimes don't feel good to get what you really want.” - Dan Greenwald
"The idea is that it's not about trying to “fix it.” It's about how do I get beyond it? How do I make sure that it doesn't stop me in living the life that I wanna live?"
"The more you don't want this thing to show up, it will show up. And the more you try to push it down, the stronger it pushes back."
"If you focus on your purpose, the thing that you're hoping won’t happen, will happen less - than if you get really hyperfocused on stopping thing."
"People are craving the return to authenticity. The simplicity, the self, the inner... as technology continues to grow, the need for people to reconnect with their inner true self is gonna continue to grow."
"We are social creatures. People act as mirrors... you wanna be around people that give you a certain type of wisdom, perspective, experience."
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FULL TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:00] Dan Greenwald: The idea is that it's not about trying to fix it. It's about how do I get beyond it? How do I make sure that life doesn't stop me in living the life that I wanna live? We are social creatures. We, uh, people act as like mirrors, as we said before, who are our right fit people? [00:00:19] Uri Schneider: Well, here we are for another amazing episode. Third time, uh, you're now the leader. No one else has been on three times. Dan Greenwald. Um, I was telling here in the studio, you know, this is not a regular guest. This is like a soul brother. And it's, uh, it's great to have you [00:00:37] Dan Greenwald: thrilled to be back, um, thrilled to do the work that we do together. You know, it's really, it's really powerful and, uh, you know, as you know how I. See people act as mirrors. So you wanna be around people that give and you get a certain type of, uh, you know, wisdom, perspective, experience. So always psyched to be with you. [00:00:58] Uri Schneider: One of the people that has been the most influential for me personally, uh, professionally and certainly with this podcast is Dan. Uh, evidenced by his appearances on the podcast, but so much more so behind the scenes. And, uh, today what we'll get into is kind of like, yeah, some of that mirroring and you can't, one of the things I've said recently is self-awareness is very difficult. You need some sort of mirror. Sometimes it's a physical mirror to see how you're looking, how you're doing, what you're, what you're at. And sometimes it's a good friend or a coach. And so you've been that for me. And so how do you see where we began with this project and, and where we've arrived and. That also might inform where we're going. [00:01:38] Dan Greenwald: Sure. So, I mean, what, maybe four years ago that we started the height of Covid. Right? Height of covid. That's like a marker for most of us, right? Um, yeah. Uh, you know, a little bit, a little bit of backstory here. Right now we met, you have this really successful stuttering practice happening. Right. You have a, you know, you yourself, um, your father obviously, but you, yourself, you know, people, people, parents, people who, who also stutter are looking for you. And then you have a whole team working with you of like rockstar SLPs. And the question was. There's more you were, you were trying to figure out, there has to be more to this and um, it was what we did. We did a deconstruct kind of taking all the stuff that you have going on. We put it on the table and we were really intentional. You were really intentional. We about rebuilding that. Figuring out what do you really want? It. And I think that was the start of where you are now, right? Kind of, you know, the threads of that in which, um, you have an incredible team around you. Very impressive. Every time I get to spend time do some workshops with them, always just really hit by different. Incredible team [00:03:16] Uri Schneider: just to anchor and validate. It's not just, uh, platitudes. We've spent a lot of time together as a team. Brought you in. Yeah. Jammed around breakfast, brunch. Yeah. Lunch, dinner, workshops. Yeah. A lot of time. So you've really gotten to meet everybody. Yeah. And everybody adores you. [00:03:30] Dan Greenwald: Yeah. Well, I mean, again, mirrors, right? You wanna find your right fit people. And when you have that, and then from there, what evolved was almost say like framework that you were working on that. When you shared it with me, I'm a big, I'm a big like systems and framework guy, you know? Um, because life is really, we often think life is really complicated. Systems and frameworks is what helps us navigate. It's also businesses, you know, thrive versus like survive based on their systems. So you have this framework and it was so, it was, it was, it was, it was great. And. The idea was that it wasn't just about bringing it to people who, who actually stutter, but it was like, what if we could bring it to the people that work with people who, who, uh, who stutter. And that turned into this like transcending stuttering idea and vision. That was, it's not about fixing your. Your, uh, you are stutter. I stutter on stutter a lot today. Interesting. [00:04:44] Uri Schneider: Uh, it's, it's a rough word. Like people who stutter off and say like, you had to pick that word with that st combination. Andwhatever, repetition of the T, like come up with a different word. It's the same as lisp. Whoever thought of making people who have a lisp have to say lisp, like pick a word that doesn't have an S in it. Got it. But obviously the old school speech pathologists were out for the people that had these things. Okay. Labeling it with such words is ridiculous, but yeah. So stutter however you need or want. Yeah. But you know, because I didn't even hear you stutter. I was listening [00:05:14] Dan Greenwald: to what you saying stutter. I know the world of people who, who stu stu stutter. Right. Um, it's, it's in our brain. It's like, oh my God. Those are seconds, minutes when it's just a microsecond. So that's, it's like a five alarm fire. Absolutely. But I don't. Yeah, is what it is. Transcending, stuttering. The idea is that it's not about trying to fix it. It's about how do I get beyond it? How do I make sure that life doesn't stop me in living the life that I wanna live? And that turned into transcending the stuttering. And the idea of, it's not just about the individual people, it's also about the people. Let's equip. It was really your idea. Let's equip people. S SLPs, um, speech language pathologists with this framework, with a way to guide people that it's not about fixing, it's about helping them transcend, moving beyond that their like stutter doesn't stop them. And then, which was cool as I love seeing and being a part and watching you evolve here, it's like, wait a second. I love this work. I do. I love, I love working with all of these people from, you know, you know, you know, you know, like clients to, uh, other SLPs, but there's a world even beyond that. I've learned so much from this stuttering that it's not just about like stuttering, it's about human. It's about human dynamics. And a lot of these things that I've learned from working with like stutterers applies to all people. Which evolved into this concept of transcending X, which I think is just brilliant. I love it. And um, I also love the fact that the world of stuttering that you've really, um, brought so much to, has also brought you somewhere. [00:07:19] Uri Schneider: And Kristen, Camilla has aligned. I really like, she says, every life you change changes yours. And there's this reverb. So the privilege and the opportunity that I've had to meet extraordinary people and play some part side by side with them as a guide, as a mirror, as a therapist, whatever, it has changed me. Like I'm more courageous, I'm more ready to take risk. I'm more aware of when I'm holding back. And when I'm encouraging someone else to take bold steps to flex their courage muscle. Yeah. You know, um, I can't do that effectively if I'm not practicing what I preach. That's right. And so I Yeah, so true. And so every, what you've helped me do is to see like every time I think, okay, that's it. Well, wait a second. Now, something new has appeared on the horizon that wasn't even visible. Wasn't even imaginable before. So first it was maybe directly helping people who stutter and making that more accessible, more understandable, more actionable. Wait a second. But maybe we can really inform and empower therapists so that people who are going to public schools and getting therapy from public school therapists and the therapists wanna do good. They wanna do the right thing, they wanna change lives, but they don't know how. It was really, really helpful to start thinking, well, how can we do that? And then they started doing that. And now we've got these two audiences, two communities that are alive and thriving in online communities, jamming on the same framework, and both finding it a way to simplify and as you said, like creating a system to organize what was otherwise like this amorphous mountain that was so overwhelming. And that's been extremely gratifying. And looking now as we stand at like my own personal, going beyond just speech therapy and stuttering and working with individuals in finance and working with a hedge fund and a whole team with the principles and with the partners and with the analysts. Wow. A lot of this is like. Informed me and empowered me to meet people with all kinds of things that they're facing and being a problem solver to transcend X, whatever X is. They're the same mechanics, it's the same framework. It's the same systems that I use to manage myself and my own fears and my own insecurities, and watching those stories show up and thinking when and how. Don't think just do, there's so many things I picked up from you. But there are also things that I've kind of baked in, in my own way, in my own language, and have become very real. [00:09:50] Dan Greenwald: I love it. I love it. Very real. And I love the fact, I love the idea that stuttering, what has like stuttering taught you? Yeah. That's such a, that's, I love that idea around specifically you, someone who, who, who, who has brought so much to us, so to speak, and yeah, I would love to hear your thoughts on that. I [00:10:12] Uri Schneider: think fundamentally stuttering is a condition in which people know what they wanna say. They have it lined up and there's just that hiccup. There's that block. There's something that doesn't allow them to just get it out. There's, there's that last press, the red button and send, and there's that hiccup and hesitation, and then. I just would walk people through that and, and it wasn't in the textbooks, but it started to resonate with me like, I don't stutter, but there are so many things that I have that I'm not expressing. There are so many ideas, there's so much in me. There's so much potential that I feel like I'm living with and I'm sitting on, and for one reason or another, that's not my degree. Or that's not me. I, I don't fit in in that club. Or you know, they would never listen to me. But I do think I have some contribution I could really make over there. And I realized like, that's my, that's my ex, that's my stutter. And the same structures and the same frameworks. Just recently, I just ran the Tel Aviv half Marathon. Nice. Who made me run it? My friend roi, he's the national triathlete champion of Israel. He is living in Connecticut. Training others. He's sponsored by Samsung and others. They're making a documentary about him. Uh, Greg Pande, who's a D one lacrosse performer, D one lacrosse player, financial sales guy, unbelievable ultra marathoner. I can go on and on. We have a great, great regard for him. Another, and they all were watching me posting on Strava, like five Ks, three times a week. And like at my age, if I can run five Ks three times a week, like I was pretty proud of myself and both of them said like, yo, you know, good for you man. But, um. I think it's time to step it up. And I realized I had this glass ceiling, and it would happen on every run where I'd get to the end of a 5K. And I felt like I was totally gassed like done. And once I accepted their challenge and I, I went into a training plan and I went into a training mode and I looked two months out and I said, I've done a half before. What's it gonna take? Once my mindset shifted and I shed that glass ceiling of like, okay, it's 4.95 kilometers, you're almost done. You know, good thing you didn't kill yourself and go like five and a half kilometers, boom. Like the training plan said the next day you're gonna run for 45 minutes. That's it. Whatever happens. And actually it was a slow pace. I just followed the plan. Don't think, just do, I'd wake up and I'd be like, I don't have 45 minutes today. I had all these resistance and all these thoughts, and I just said, I told Greg and I told roi. I'm not gonna back outta this. I'm committed and I just trucked along. And the coolest thing that happened was at the Tel Aviv Half Marathon, I did something I shouldn't have done. I tried something new on my watch to set up like a pacer. Totally messed everything up. So the watch was recording the run, but I couldn't get data. I didn't know how fast I was going. I didn't know my pace, so I just winged it and I was like, what feels right? Mm-hmm. What just feels right. And at that point I had built a sense of, I knew what it felt like to be at a comfortable, mellow pace. I knew what it felt like to be at a quicker clip, but I also knew if it was too fast for me to sustain. So I kind of found something in that middle zone for about three quarters of the run. And then when I realized there was about five, six kilometers left and I realized I got a lot of juice in me. I stepped it up. My target was to break two hours for the half marathon. Nailed it. Awesome. Two hours, half marathon, and the last five. And I set records for all of my runs, meaning it was the fastest 10 K for me. It was the fastest 10 miler. It was amazing. That's awesome. And it was all because of just shifting the mindset. [00:13:56] Dan Greenwald: So few things I just wanna point out really quickly. Number one, the power of like people. Yes. Right. And so the idea that really we are social creatures. We, uh, people act as like mirrors, as we said before, who are our right fit people? And the reason why it's so critically important, you just, you just actually demonstrated, right? These two people in your life saw you recognized. They gave you the perspective like Uri, like push it up. And if you're the type of person, which I know you are, if anyone's the type of person that. You're really determined to be someone who's about growth. Yes. Which is, that's really the key to, that's really the key to a fulfilled, happy, meaningful impact oriented life. If that's you, so then you're like, people are critically important and so here's an example. Who are your right fit people? You surround yourself with the people that are giving you the perspective that support the growth, and I know you do. You do that for a ton of people, so that's number one. Number two is the power of story. Watch. Yeah. Right? Is that I can't do that. That glass, that glass, uh, that glass ceiling. All of us, we all have them. And it's how our minds is designing our way of the world to keep this being safe. Right? And so it's gonna do this powerful, like computer we have is gonna do everything it can to be like, no, you can't run more than five or do whatever. Do whatever. And then you have. People. And then you have the self-awareness and then you have, we gain self-awareness tools that allow us to push through if that's what we wanna do. So it's awesome example. I love that. Um, and I love the idea, getting back to the question of what, like stuttering has taught you that, you know. We speak all the time. My whole thing, you know, like stuttering, growing up as a stutterer, recognizing that there was something, I was different at five at age six. Stuttering was what it was termed, um, throughout my life. It was, I was very in tune that I was in flow and then not in flow, and then figuring out how I wanted to change and stop or not stutter. And be someone that was feeling all that shame all the time, or having to be on guard all the time. My, the way that I kind of navigated forward was like, Hey, I don't really, I don't really stutter when I'm in flow. Maybe I invest energy figuring out how do I be in [00:16:45] Uri Schneider: flow. To be intentional, to support, facilitate, and cultivate more [00:16:50] Dan Greenwald: flow flow state, what have you. Uh, you know, people call it different things, but you know, that's what it's about. So, when you were telling me your, like story about your, like running and then your watch broke, and then you gotta follow your, you know, your, your inside gut, your intuition that's being in flow. [00:17:09] Uri Schneider: The other thing that was cool is that it wasn't an end. It was a means to an end. Mm-hmm. I knew that taking this on, taking on this challenge and this run and this target would open up and ignite and bring energy to all my other projects. So I knew that I was going into a phase where I wanted to reignite the podcast. I knew I was in a phase where I wanted to go into doing better things for some of my kids, and I knew it was gonna be challenging. And I knew it was gonna be taxing. And so like instead of thinking of the scarcity, I started to think, well, what are things that would give me a stronger state going into these things? And it, and it was just so profound, so profound that when I was committed to a training plan, training plan, which means I was taking time away out of my packed day is taking time for me. I ended up being able to show up and give more quality and be in a stronger state. And sometimes it meant I showed up for a Zoom meeting with a private client in a, in a hat and a sweaty shirt. But I said to them, I went for a run before our meeting because I knew I would be better for you. And I thought you'd rather have me in a strong state than in a button down shirt, but feeling all stiff and totally drained and it worked. And the results were like, just remarkable. And that's right. And then, and then again, that for me became almost like modeling for the client. The same way I'm telling them, listen, what's your state as you're going into this performance, this interview, this TED talk, this crucial conversation that you're gonna have with your team. You know, you wanna make sure what are you doing that morning or that night before? It's not just the preparation of what's you're gonna say. It's also like, how are you gonna be, are you gonna go in on low sleep? Not fueled up, not hydrated, not. Greasing your, your muscles and your mind, or you're gonna go in, in like the strongest state you can. And that became like 80% awesome. 80% of the performance and the results is like that state became very, very important. Cool. So let's just [00:19:03] Dan Greenwald: back up for a quick second 'cause I love it all. You're talking about the importance of the like energy state, the strong energy state you work with a bunch of people helping them kind of navigate. Um, and I know you have all of these different tools and systems in which you, you know. Guide folks. You know how, you know where I stand on that. You know, the idea of, it's all about making it immediate and practical impact. Now, what if it was easy? What if it, what [00:19:29] Uri Schneider: if it [00:19:29] Dan Greenwald: was easy? [00:19:30] Uri Schneider: I, I, I, I like to think I am the world's greatest complicator, meaning I have the greatest gift for making simple things complicated to the point that they don't get done. But I've found that other people have that gift too. I'm not the [00:19:43] Dan Greenwald: only one. Everybody does every did. And the idea why. Where that comes from, at least from my point of view, is that we, you know, like human creatures with this human mind whose so soul, the purpose of our mind is to keep this creature safe. And it does so in three ways. Three ways, homeostasis, right? Organizing levels. Number two, file cabinets of experience. Don't go here. And number three, it creates these like stories, beliefs that guide us. To stay safe. One of the key ways is that we overly, we like to overly complicate to not do things that are hard. That's our default mode. Every one of us. Case in point, I can't work out, I don't have the right sneakers. Right. I'll start running. I just need to get the right sneakers [00:20:34] Uri Schneider: and the right shorts. I also need a hat. [00:20:36] Dan Greenwald: Yeah. And or, or, or, I only do live classes. Yoga. I can't, I can't. And, and, but that's what ends up happening. Or when we try to sit down to write a, like business plan, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, our mind's gonna try to keep us away from doing things that are really, really difficult, which is why systems and like processes are very helpful. For all of us. And so much so like you just talked about, when you went out for your run, you understood how to do it. You understood your energy state so much so that when you start to recognize this, and I know you live that li you live like this. I live, I aim to live. Try. We try. We aim, aim. I don't like try. We aim to live like this. Um, we know that if we're, if we have to show up. Right. We should be in a, we, we want to aim to be in a bigger energy state, a larger, stronger energy state. This is what I started doing, um, before each zoom. If I have a zoom, I do a set of pushups beforehand. No matter what. No matter what. So my zoom, not only am I trying to show up with a stronger energy state, a zoom, Hey, awesome. It's gonna help me get stronger. Yeah, every single time. So small things like that really help. Um, and when you start to do them, when you start to focus on the importance of our energy state, everything in our life shifts, especially if we, uh, as, as you as you know, I have a question for you. 'cause this is something that I've always thought about regarding Energy State. Aside from story watch and Courage muscle and all of these awesome self-awareness tools, I. I, I would love to see there be a study out there of the level of like, the level of like fluency and like stutterers when they are intentionally working on keeping their energy state in a strong, in a strong place is what would be their shit, because I know what it's done for me. I know like for, like, for me, stuttering is a light on my dashboard, right? It pops up all the time, but usually it pops up when I'm not in a strong state. I don't get enough sleep. I haven't meditated, you know, my mental, spiritual or like physical actions that support my strong state energy farming. Usually I could directly, um, I can directly correlate. My stutter coming out when I'm not in a strong state. I would love to see if that's the case with other stutterers. What do you think? [00:23:23] Uri Schneider: Yeah. Well, first of all, I think it's important to recognize that many things like stuttering, it's one. Title one label. Mm-hmm. But it manifests very differently. It's not a homogenous kind of a condition, and people are not all the same. So the way the same stutter affects two absolutely different people is very, very different. So there's no one size fits all. That's number one. But if we think about it, I think that one universal truth is that stuttering behaves like this. And many things are like this. This is the work of Dr. Eric Jackson and Dr. Chris Constantino. The more you don't want this thing to show up, it will show up. And the more you, uh, don't think about it, then it's, it's a little less likely that it's gonna show up. But like, the more you try to push it down, the stronger it pushes back. So I think one of the universal things that is applicable about stuttering and has been helpful for me and my work and relates to what you're talking about is when you have systems mm-hmm. So instead of getting caught up with wrestling with this one thing that's part of whatever the task is, let's say you're going to give a presentation, a Ted Talk. Just had this guy, Asian guy with a stutter who's gonna give a TED Talk. He's a rockstar. Rockstar at one of the top AI companies, and he's an AI engineer and he's gonna give a TED talk and he's so fixated on his accent and on his stutter. We started doing the work, we started realizing, you know what? Let's, let's look at making you a great communicator. You got great content. People want to hear from you. Let's figure out how to connect and have empathy with the audience. Let's figure out what's the, the, the, the appetite. They have the amount of content, the packaging, the delivery two weeks later gives the talk. Suddenly stuttering and his accent have like melted into the background. He's not even thinking about it. And when we did the post conversation, that's exactly what he said. So to me it was, it was like all about if you focus on. The purpose or even anything else, the thing that you're hoping doesn't happen will happen less than if you get really hyperfocused on that thing. So I think that's where systems are helpful. So I would work with him and make like a communication dashboard, like, how's your body language? How's your messaging, how's your phrasing? And if you can optimize those things, whether or not the stutter shows up. It will be overpowered. It will be much less prevalent, less distracting to the audience and to the speaker because you're amplifying all these other great things. Awesome. Accents are the same thing. If you focus on putting on an accent, you could mask a stutter, but that's not really a healthy adaptation. Singing is another one. There's some neuroscience to that, but there's also the fact that you're not really communicating. It's not spontaneous speech, so anything that moves away from. Focusing on the speech actually is often very helpful for the speech flow. But some of those things can be maladaptive, so we gotta stay clear of those. Cool, cool. Okay. But the energy is a big thing. Like if you're tired, a lot of people are tired or agitated or overwhelmed. Their performance [00:26:22] Dan Greenwald: shifts. So let me even back up from my question then. I have a belief as you know, that when someone knows what they really, really want. I call it 30 your 30,000 foot view of what is it that you really want? Not just the generic air is good money, love, family, revenue, whatever it is, but we know what we really want and we could connect with that in a specific way every day. Mm-hmm. That that becomes our guiding light that yes. Or our North Star or our 30 or our true self, whatever terminology you want to use, but it's real. When one is connected with that, there's an, it activates another level of human flow in which that shows up in all sorts of different ways no matter what. No matter what type of person you are, whether you're working on speech therapy or running, or a, or a Ted or a TED talk, it's living with this, um, it's living with this inside out. Way of living versus outside in, which is what you're talking about of and as they like stutter or grow, what are they gonna think of me? The perception of my, of my speech or how I look or the this or the that. And that's a big thing I know. I mean, I've learned from like stuttering and moving be and when I have worked hard to transcend my stutter a big. A big reason why was that being able to connect with something that I care more about than caring about what other people think about my, my stutter. And that that's a big part of what like 30 10 0 is, you know, is lined up for right. That when we're in tune with that. A lot of other things become easier, [00:28:33] Uri Schneider: so I'll, I'll just be the speech therapist for a second. Sure. And say that, I wanna be careful that people don't get the feeling. Yeah. That for everybody. If you just know what you really want, then everything else is gonna click into place. For some people, that's true that when you really get clear on what you want and you're really focused and you're, you're optimizing everything, you can optimize. Things start to click. That's absolutely true for a lot of people and for others, whatever the quirk might be, whether it's a person's tendency for a DHD or executive functioning or a stutter or whatever it is, getting angry, having rage. The more they are clear on what they really want and they allocate 80% of their energy to that and a lot less managing this thing, that thing might still be there. But it starts to fade into the background of their consciousness, of their attention, and also for the person that they're talking to. So like when you put 80% into connecting with the other, whatever interference there might be becomes a lot less pronounced, even if it's still there. For some people, it actually melts completely. There's a story I was thinking about sharing that, you know, and I, I totally relate to this on so many levels, I read it, RO Beaterman wrote this, uh, story that a speaker gets up to speak to a high school audience and all of a sudden, uh, a donor steps up to the podium and tells the speaker, and the speaker announces to the group of, uh, high school kids, says, this donor has just said that we're gonna have an arm wrestling match. Everyone's gonna pair up and have an arm wrestling match, and however many sets you win, you're gonna get a dollar. All the kids are excited by the competition. So everyone pairs up. Everyone has an arm wrestling match. Afterwards, they all come up and report how many rounds they won. So this group was, this guy won four, this guy won five, this guy won five, this won, won four. They were $4, $5. Another group comes up, this pair a hundred, he won a hundred and I won a hundred. So either they're fibbing, no. I said, well, how'd that work? Well, we realized. Then instead of fighting and spending so much time struggling and eating up and consuming time with this, this wrestling match, going back and forth, but going nowhere. If I help him win a hundred times, he helps me win a hundred times. We both win. I. So much of life is this wrestling match, and so much energy is consumed by that. And when we just decide what we really want and we get behind ourselves, say, what if it was easy? How can I win easy with myself? And what is it that I'm scared of? What is it I'm worried is gonna happen? What am I trying to stay safe about? How can I satisfy that piece of me that needs to be told? You're gonna be okay. I hear you. There's a reason that voice is coming up. There's a reason that story served you well. We need to update the story and make sure that you're comfortable with the outcome here. But I'm gonna take care of you. You're gonna be okay. Less, less wrestling with ourselves. For me, that's been a breakthrough. S and [00:31:20] Dan Greenwald: and and, and I would say, what if there was a system that helps guide us to like figuring out, this is such a, this is a like shameless pi pitch right now. I'm sorry, go for it. But what if there was a system? [00:31:32] Uri Schneider: It's not shameless, it's it's authentic. I don't know. I, there's no shame. We're gonna, we're gonna take the shame off of it. Okay? We're taking shame. This is just you because you're not pitching something. You're sharing something that is a part of you. [00:31:45] Dan Greenwald: I, I, I, I was hit with, I was hit with what if there was a system that could guide humans to define what it is that they really want and create, and then create a weekly plan. That almost creates rails. Not a path, but rails for them to go on doing specific actions, weekly, core, weekly actions that are the measurable that support them getting what they really want. Once they uncovered what they really want now, a plan to go and get it, and showing their growth towards it. I was determined to figure out how to do that for me. And then that's really what I, that's the work I've been involved with as you know, you've, so let's talk about that, a piece of that. 'cause [00:32:41] Uri Schneider: when we first did it together Yeah. And you, you shared this with me. On the one hand I was eating it up, like I've tried so many. Yeah, you know, personal work and different systems and habit trackers and this and that. On the one hand, I crave them, and on the other hand, I abhor them like I have such a resistance. It's like a trigger. Oh, I have to do that. Like, what do I have to do? And then I'm gonna feel like a failure when I don't hit the mark, or like I'm gonna be a monster with my family because I gotta get in my. My 10,000 steps, you know? So I have a love-hate relationship with systems. Do you remember how that went and how you negotiated that with me? Tell me if I say that to you now. I think that the nuance is, yeah, you didn't present a system that was the path. Like you said, they were rails. It was like navigation. Navigation. It was how do I stay focused on my true north? Mm-hmm. And then in terms of the actions, you didn't prescribe the actions, you kind of had a menu. Of things. And then the person myself. Yeah. Picked, well, which of those is relevant for me? Which of them is applicable? Meaning it's gonna give me what I want, it's gonna gimme the energy and it's easy, like it fits well. [00:33:49] Dan Greenwald: Part of the SI mean like part of the system is that you have to create it, right? It has to be you, you and, and, and self. It needs to meet, self-generated. Yeah. It needs to meet you where you're at unless you're not gonna do it. Exactly. And no one wants to be told what they have to do. [00:34:02] Uri Schneider: And a lot of systems don't do that. A lot of systems are some book that someone wrote that they have all the answers and just do their playbook, you know, [00:34:09] Dan Greenwald: and that doesn't work. You know? I got very annoyed. I got very annoyed. I love, I love reading and, you know, experiencing seminars and like meditation retreats and, and like, like films or that you learn something, but then how do you practically infuse it into you? I got, I got really frustrated with that. And so I know that that's a key piece of what doesn't exist. Um, so that's baked into this like 30 10 0 system that we're talking about, in which it's designed, not telling you what to do, but for you to take what is important for you energy wise. Right. People wise, being a master of time, specific actions, it, it's designed to for you to take where you're at, what you know about you, and to like organize it into a personalized guidance system so that life does become a little bit like easier and more powerful and give, and you're able to gain greater control. Of self to help move you towards what you really want. And just to, you know, to your point with like, if you know what you want, everything's gonna be solved. No, no, no, no, no. That's not, I know that's not what you meant. I just wanted to make it clear. I'm gonna make it even more clear because you're right. The reason why it's so hard for us to figure out what it is that we really want. That we can answer the question, how does working on like stuttering help me get what I really want? How does running a like podcast studio help me get what I really want? Right. That's the bigger question, right? The reason why it's so hard, a lot of what we were talking about before is because as like creatures we're designed to figure out how to stay safe. Right. How to have our glass ceilings, that a lot of our stories beliefs were formed between ages four and 12, right? And so unless we do the work to then go and understand that we're gonna have those glass ceilings, we're not gonna be able to define what we like, what we really want, when we could undo that and define what we really want. That's when things start to shift. Just to be clear, [00:36:45] Uri Schneider: you know, it's an interesting twist on like the 80 20 principle. Mm-hmm. That so many people spend 80% of their energy trying to control like 20% of what matters. Mm-hmm. And what if we could like flip that, if we could just put like. A lot less energy into those things that are really not that important, but allocate 80% of our energy into things that really make a difference. And the same is true in communication. The same is true in work. Same is true in productivity. All of it. And I think systems, my love-hate relationship and where I'm at now in a healthy. Tension with that is not to be too rigid, but also develop a system. See how it goes, get the feedback. Both see how it's helping me get what I really want. Amazing. Squeeze that. Lean into that, tighten that. And on the other hand, things that are just giving me more stress, but not really getting me what I want. Update. Update the plan, you know, adapt. Absolutely. Um, and the same was true with training for the runs. So, uh. I was better for training, for running 'cause of the work we did together. Awesome. For sure. Um, so tell me what's happening with 30 10 0, which was where you were at. We talked about how transcending stuttering, transcending X has evolved. [00:37:51] Dan Greenwald: Yeah. [00:37:51] Uri Schneider: So 30 10, 0. Can you just break down what's the 30, what's the 10? What's the zero? [00:37:55] Dan Greenwald: Sure. It's really, it's uh, really for my, like altitude at all. Hiking, flying on an airplane. But it's the idea that like 30,000 foot view, it's your target. 10,000 is your, uh, focus. And zero is your, uh, day-to-day, weekly measurable actions. You put it together, target focus actions, and the idea of your 30 is when you're in an airplane, you're looking down and you're seeing those perfect box fields. There's so much clarity and there's no noise. You know what you really, really want, and there's a way, there's a way to ensure that that's what you really want. And the idea is that when you have it, you write it out and there's a process for you, like refining it. You say it every day out and, and if it's not, if it's not where you need it to be. You could also start to tweak it, but that's a whole different discussion. But it's your, uh, target focus action. And so everything, you're able to zoom in and zoom out on every part of your life really, really quickly. So you know what your me, you know what your daily actions, you know how they're connected to what it is that you really want, your higher purpose. Cool. So the way that it works with, you know, this tool and this system and this, um, overall framework. So that it's own, it works as it works on your like foundation of self that no matter what you aim to do, whether you're a doctor, uh, a like broker, it works on, it works on, um, it works to define your, like target of how does being a doctor help you get what you really want? How does being a like broker support you getting what you really want? And then, and then the idea for your like 10,000 foot view. It's your, like, energy farming, ensuring that you are in a strong, strong energy state no matter what it is that no matter what kinda work you do, like a mom, dad, doctor, uh, SLP teacher. Um. There's the like master of time is another area of focus. Your 10,000 master of time, it's energy farming, master of time people who are the people that you need to connect with in order to get what you really want. And the fourth is this idea of a craft. What are you creating? For yourself that's gonna support you getting what you like, really want. So it's designed for people to achieve no matter. It's not about what specific way you're going to achieve it, it's about creating a like foundation that you're doing specific actions that are gonna support your like energy, your weekly time management, your people connecting. As well as your like, creative energy that if that's not put into use, it's kinda like a fire hose that's not in control. So there are these specific things that work for virtually, virtually anyone. And then it's gonna help refine the, the like larger guiding question of how does blank job help you get what you really want. And so that's kind of the breakdown. Usually we think how does our job is our top ultimate 30,000 foot view. It's not, that's only our 10,000. Life is too short to make it all about our job. Job's very important. Money is critically important, especially if we don't have it, but it's a function for what it is that we really want. [00:41:40] Uri Schneider: Tell us about, you know, where your evolution's at with 30 10 0. [00:41:44] Dan Greenwald: Yeah. So, um, really grateful to be able to have worked with a number of people over the last chunk of years about this, uh, you know, this like systematized framework that I call it a human guidance system. Right, that you, that you would create for yourself. And that system applies to businesses, applies to individuals, to leaders, but where we're at now is, um, um, I realize that I'm not good at everything, right? No, no, we're not, we're not all good at everything. So I, so there are things, so I, um, I'm starting to work with someone who, um, she's good at everything. She's great. She is great at, at, uh, she creates these amazing apps that, that like support human growth have. She's done a number of them and really, I, I, I've been in touch with her for years and now she's ready. Uh, we are starting to work together to figure out. She and the first, these, first, these first sketches and the app that she's building out is really, I mean, it's, it's just about there to start with, like testing. Same. The aim is how do we scale 30 10 0 to bring this system to as many people as we can to help them get what they really want, to live a life that's fueled by growth. That they are not the world. This attention economy that we live in now that's designed to suck our focus fuel, our global dopamine addiction, what's, what's a path? You know, what's a way to kind of take back control of self and do it on our terms, and what's the way to do it so that it meets us where we're at on our phone? What's a way to use like, technology to give us greater control of self again? And so, um, uh, yeah, we're, we are now in the process of building out, um, a tool that is gonna support 30 10 0 living. And, um, you know, we have started to sign up people to, uh. To, uh, test it out. Awesome. Which exciting. And, um, you know, I really encourage anyone who, you know, if this rings a bell to come to like 30 10 zero.com, that's spelled out 30 10 0, and sign up to be on this like, wait list or to become a tester, fill out the form and if you're a good fit, we will reach out to you right away. Um, it's very exciting. Um, it looks like we're growing out at, uh, also, uh, this like larger community. So once you. Create your system and you start to live it, then you're a part of a group of other people that are also living that life, that way of life, uh, together. And as you know, you've been, you've been in it, you know, for, you know, right, right at the beginning of it. Um, that's really what the aim is to figure out how to make it easier, um, and really make it an extension of people. Right. People just need to be who they are. That's where they need to be. They don't have to pretend or wanna be something more than who they are by living who you are right now. That is the juice, that is the, that is the like power that when you're able to tap into that, that like using 30 10 zeros designed that, that becomes your power plant. To move you forward? I'm [00:45:25] Uri Schneider: excited. Yeah. I'm excited when people call me. Yeah, when people call me, I like to make it very clear, you know, there's no one size fits all. There's nothing that's for everybody, and I'm not for everybody. Our practice, Schneider's speech is not for everybody. Transcending X is not for everybody. I designed it that anybody that wants it, it's available and we're here to serve. But I like to tell people like what makes us a good fit and what might make it not a good fit. What would you say is something about 30 10 0? Like who's the right fit candidate and who would be, maybe this isn't the best fit. Sure. So [00:46:01] Dan Greenwald: number one, you have to want to change and grow. You have to want it. If you don't want that to, doesn't matter what tool you use, right? You're gonna do something, you're gonna be the type of person that I want to be able to want it. But I don't really want growth and change. So if you're someone who is, who really is, you know, I'm ready to shift my life forward to grab back control. We make it as simple as possible, but for someone else to walk the walk you, you're gonna have to lean into your courage. You're gonna have to do things that sometimes don't feel good to get what you really want. So there's that. We wore, we, this is a great fit for, you know, like for the, as someone just said to me the other day, busy dads or moms as they were shining a light back on me. 'cause I use this every day, right? This isn't something I create for the world. This is. Something I use, uh, my, uh, my partner Jenny, who, she's the one building out these apps, she's, she's also living it. Um, you know, anyone who is involved in growing 30 10 0 is living 30, 10 0. Um, so busy moms, dads, entrepreneurs that have a lot to balance and, uh, juggle. It's very helpful to know what you really want and that. Dictates you're 30 dictates. How does this story that I'm capturing help me get what I really want? How does, how does going out at night or doing whatever action that may not be the best help and getting what I want? It helps organize your like decisions really quickly. So, um, we work with like, you know, the gamut. We're now working with a bunch of students, medical students, which is interesting. People come and it applies to anyone, um, who is a, as I call 'em, hungry people. [00:48:12] Uri Schneider: I guess people that wouldn't apply for, wouldn't be a good fit. Someone who thinks, oh, I'm inspired by this. I like the way that dance sounds. If I could download an app and that'll happen to me. Awesome. So just, just have another app on your phone and think there's just gonna buy osmosis. Go through your pocket and into your guts and into your Mm. Not happening. Not [00:48:29] Dan Greenwald: happening. Not happening. Not happening. If, if, if, if you think things should be really, uh, if you think and want things to only be, uh, easy. Not for you. [00:48:39] Uri Schneider: Yeah. As we come into the final lap. Yeah. What would, what's Dan looking forward for in maybe the next, uh, like five years from now, what would be something you'd like to be seeing? [00:48:50] Dan Greenwald: Good question. In five years from now, personally, I would love to be involved in, uh, a bunch of ventures that support the growth of people. I. And working with other people that inspire me and push me beyond comfort, pushing me to flex my, like courage muscle. Um, I would love for there to be thousands of people living this like 30, 10, 0 way. And it's a way of life really. It's a way of life in which other people are the guides. To support other people doing this and living it. And I really would love to see this designed for like teenagers. [00:49:47] Uri Schneider: Amazing. Yeah. I'll take a stab at my own question, [00:49:50] Dan Greenwald: please. Let's hear, let's hear, let's [00:49:52] Uri Schneider: five years from now. Well, thanks to my friend at Anthropic. Um, I think we're gonna be living in a world with a lot, a lot of agents and whatever's gonna come after that. I think we're gonna, I want to be in a place where we're integrating and leveraging all the incredible power and utility and accessibility of ai, and recognizing the, the premium and the everlasting value. There always will be for that human experience. AI can do a lot of tasks, like AI can do a lot of analysis. AI can create more accessibility, but it doesn't often make you feel something. The feeling that we can create with one another, a hug, uh, an inspiring moment. The oomph of a piece of art, of whether it's music, whether it's art, or whether it's just the magnificence of having a great conversation. There's something uniquely human about that and human pain and the nuance they're in. And I'm interested and fascinated and obsessed with how much of what I do with people I can offload to AI and train. LLM to be able to do that. And at the same time, uh, where do we position ourselves with a team of exceptional people in our core team and empower a whole legion of people that are waving the flag of like, we want to help people. Be the best people they can be. Leveraging the world as it's evolving, not moving backwards and not trying to freeze. Time in where we stand today, the world is, is accelerating very quickly and changing very quickly, and at the same time, creating opportunity for those human encounters that make you. Feel something and, and that feeling is the often the cathartic feeling. It's not rea like you said, it's not reading a book or listening to this conversation that's gonna change your life. This is a magnet. This is something that gives you a taste to do the work, takes time, takes effort, and humans have to do that. No AI can wave a magic wand over your head any better than you. Or I could wave magic wand over someone's head that needs human touch. [00:52:02] Dan Greenwald: I, I, I would even, I would even go in like double down on that. And I would say that because things are speeding up, you know, like, like AI tech is just Moore's law. It's speeding up at such a pace. There is this almost a, like a like return of people are craving the return to authenticity. The like simplicity, the self, the inner, and that's coming with, you know, people spending time in nature. People, to your point, no matter what tools are out there, the interactive people to people, connection is part of our health. Sustainability that's becoming more clear. So as the rise of all this awesome technology and I'm, I love technology. The ballpoint pen was once the most profound piece of technology. It, I view it the same way now, right. But as that gets up. As that continues to grow in our world and almost like take over, it feels like in 2025 the need for people to reconnect with their inner true self and live life guided by that is just gonna continue to grow. So I think you're dead on with what your aim is and I look forward to seeing it. [00:53:30] Uri Schneider: Cheers. Em, you know, the reason we say em is 'cause. As Jews, we try not to drink alone. Ah, so we drink together. So it's cheers to you. Cheers to life. Cheers to everything that you're doing, to you and your family, and let's keep talking. [00:53:43] Dan Greenwald: I love it. Can't wait for the next one. [00:53:45] Uri Schneider: I hope you enjoyed this episode. If you did, share it with a friend, and if you wanna get more tips and follow us for more insights, check out transcendingx.com/email And remember, keep talking.